1-2 leatherworkers A town of this size probably has at least one large-scale cloth manufactory. Where my hackles go up is when they pretend this is anything more than a game fiat. Well, sure. (And sorry for my not-so-swift one)Indeed, it is quite hard to address such issues in a general manner. Medieval towns were almost invariably horribly overcrowded, disease-ridden places, and while it took extreme population pressure to abandon the protection of the walls, sooner or later it happened. To wit: how productive are your fishing grounds? * Dyers: 1 per 3000. In fact I like your blog more every time I visit it. miles Population Density: They were all presentation pieces, done up with various borders, decorations and styles. Medieval demography is the study of human demography in Europe and the Mediterranean during the Middle Ages. Some towns will concentrate on particular trades – the center of a wool-producing district will have a preponderance of cloth manufacturing trades (as much as two-thirds of all merchants), as well as wool merchants and factors for outside trade. Yep. Thanks for putting this up. It is part of a . If the town is walled -- and unless your town is in a strong, powerful realm with secure borders and no internal threats (not a hallmark of RPG settings), it absolutely will be -- it may have been so quite some time before. (This often didn't make the magnates any happier about coughing up the gold to build them.) I've seen Géraud's list, obviously, but not his source material ... not that I can speak medieval langue d'oil. Other than general merchants and chandlers, they still aren't likely to have much in the way of off-the-shelf wares. You are quite welcome. The demographic gr… In basic terms, a town of a thousand people will consume twenty-five bushels of grain, around 800 gallons of wine, tea or beer, about three cattle, and about a hundred smaller livestock ... daily. Most medieval cities were smaller than 1 square mile (640 acres). I found it very useful. Share to Twitter Share to Facebook Share to Pinterest. 4-5 general merchants, one which is likely to be a specialist (outfitters, say) A single peasant household worked between 20-40 acres depending upon crop. Next in importance comes potters, carpenters, weavers, leatherworkers, masons, a general merchant and at least one tavern. 5)    Defense Areas such as tax collection, records, justice and civic defense spawn whole departments. – but be more along the lines of "Eh, ma'am, if'n ye want some good jars, Goodwife Adrienne's a dab hand with the pottery. residents live in towns. If your realm tries anyway to maintain a sizable town or city away from natural resources (see below), that means you need an equally-sizable logistics train to support it. Town up to 1500 people: -- than in supplying the water needs of a household.Life in a Medieval City is fifty years old now, and yep, the Gieses' research hasn't aged well. The most surprising part of that article was not that neo-fascist, neo-Nazi, white supremacist nationalists (i.e. The various industries of a large town or city, at the medieval level, uses roughly ten times that much per capita – for tanners, laundries, fullers, foundries, smiths, numerous others. Ireland (/ ˈ aɪər l ə n d / ; Irish: Éire [ˈeːɾʲə] ; Ulster-Scots: Airlann [ˈɑːrlən]) is an island in the North Atlantic . city defenses, and generally did so grudgingly, haphazardly, and often 1 bank It was common for a river town to expand to the other bank, which necessitated at least one bridge. Specialized businesses will appear: scribe/notaries, brokers, herbalists, shipwrights, healers, various food occupations such as brewers, bakers and butchers. A lot of gamewriters love them, too. First: loved your pieces, and they helped IMMENSELY in my own worldbuilding. At least Ross actively tells you to fiddle with stuff to reflect your needs for the kingdom, so that's what I do, lol.It always baffled me on how the "people used spices to disguise spoiled meat" myth got started until I found out this article ( http://medievalcookery.com/notes/drummond.pdf ) stating that the misconception started with Jack Drummond in 1912, a chemist who clearly didn't know how to cook ANYTHING, wasn't a known historian, and made a lot of weird assumptions about medieval folks on top of it.And he accidentally counters his own spoiled-meat argument right in his book. The Yuigahama‐minami skeletal sample consists of 260 individuals, including 98 subadults (under 20 years old) and 162 adults. Again, a large-scale industrial operation. “What about the Magna Carta? * Leatherworkers: 1 per 500, at a ratio of 2:1 between generic leatherworkers and cobblers/saddlers/etc. Ive been using a companion to Britain in the late middles ages and life in a medieval barony to try and come up with a more realsitic demographics and economy. 3)    Trades But his numbers never worked for my campaign, so I used it as a source. (That thousand-person town will need a minimum of five square miles of dedicated farmland, exclusive of the aforementioned peasant farmers needed to grow that food ... presuming the soil is good and the land is well watered and flat, there are no droughts, famines or civil disruptions, that the farmers employ sound agricultural practices, and that the harvest isn't whisked away to support a far-off royal capital or the realm's own marauding army. Organized civic police forces just did not exist (at the time, Southampton maintained just six night watchmen), and a castle garrison might well be a couple dozen soldiers or less. Sure. Steve C. Posted by Steve C at 7:41:00 AM. And, if in that process, I can help other people on their worldbuilding efforts, that's even better.PS: I much appreciate your willingness to throw numbers based on an answer about terrain/growing seasons/tech. I think 10,000 people is where importing food from beyond the immediate countryside becomes an issue. Wharves, docks, shipyards and mills are going to be on the wrong side of walls. Or, for that matter, cheese. Yes, I know. 4)    Design For instance: https://web.archive.org/web/20070706202036/https://www.io.com/~sjohn/plots.htm, Medieval Demographics Done RIGHT: Stuff You Can Use. I admit my own numbers aren't a be-all and end-all either, however much better researched ... and I think I'll amend the second MD post to say why! And why bother? These pieces have been fantastic! Between cities, there are manors all along major travel routes. That means wagonloads of food and drink (the twenty-five bushels of grain alone takes up not quite two wagons), each and every day, and if your roads are impassible in winter, you need many more wagons coming through before then. I appreciate your better set of researched numbers, along with the academic critique of the Paris list. 3 blacksmiths (one a specialist, such as a farrier), 1 silver/tinsmith It's expensive enough, and hard enough on the soldiers, to subsidize a strictly military outpost in the middle of nowhere: ask the Romans, the French, the British, or the mid- to late-19th century Americans, for that matter. In exchange, Henry I gave city merchants the right to levy taxes and elect a sheriff. Roughly of this is arable land, or km 2.The remaining km 2 is divided among wilderness, rivers, lakes, and the like.. Population 's population is approximately persons.. residents are isolated or itinerant. If work isn't to be had, they're not going to stick around. The absolute basic tradesmen without which a village doesn’t exist are a blacksmith and a miller. Formal military companies almost certainly exist. I'm building a coastal town that is a regional capital, and I would like to know how many fishermen there are compared to however many farmers I might have, or how far out to sea they would have to go to provide a sustainable "crop" of fish.Thanks again! Capitals of any size, as well as major regional cities, will have a full-blown university. I've run across the original list that caused this article. * Fishmongers: 1 per 400 (selling fresh) in a port, 1 per 1200 (selling dried or salted) inland. Storage? Then I thought: hey, maybe I could make that public? Thank you. A 1:10 urban/rural ratio wasn't so much of an upper limit as close to the standard. What do you think of it? Thanks for the swift reply! Possibilities for these: Take a bakery, for instance. There's no way a single water-carrier, or even their family and a wagon can supply a huge village of 850 people! Thank you kindly! You could also have a monarch who isn't keen on them having their own great fortresses but due to the fact that he or she doesn't actually control most of the country can't stop them though they might try. Maybe densities can go lower. Standing forces, in medieval western Europe, were by our standards astonishingly small. The laws and rules are rigged in their favor, and the culture is nowhere close to being a meritocracy. Yes, densities can go lower, way lower. Throw in vegetables, fruit, cooking oil, herbs ... Coming back to water. 1 scribe/notary You’ll also need a surplus enough to support non-productive elements, such as religious centers, universities or the bureaucracy of a capitol city. Demography is considered a crucial element of historical change throughout the Middle Ages. )When all is said and done, a few too many gamers who put out alleged "guides" are more interested with getting something into print than in getting it *right*, with the least amount of effort and research as they can manage. You see, when you're out there, GMing something in a very sandboxy manner, it is incredibly useful to have these generators at hand.Now, I have two ideas that maybe you'll find interesting/fun, and perchance could consider:1) Instantly I thought about making a Google Sheet using the data you present here, with some switches for things such as "Primary business", "secondary business", "religiosity", "importance of main road", for my own personal use. The purpose of this study is to obtain demographic data regarding the medieval population buried at the Yuigahama‐minami site in Kamakura, Japan, and to detect a secular trend in the life expectancy of Japanese population over the last several thousand years. A number of businesses have a DIY element. (This, of course, can form the basis for plots.) The "spices" business is definitely one that failed the common sense test from multiple angles: what, the expensive imported spices the peasantry couldn't afford? Indeed, the reason why so many Roman-era buildings were in ruins or disappeared entirely is that they were often cannibalized for the stone necessary to build or repair walls, in addition to other buildings. Medieval Demographics Done RIGHT (Pt II) 1) Location Any urban area, whether village, town or city, arises out of the need for trade. A motte-and-bailey of ditch, hill, and wooden palisade, or other earthwork/ringwork castles, not so much. It is separated from Great Britain to its east by the North Channel , the Irish Sea , and St George's Channel . It’ll have a relatively primitive tangle of streets in the center, haphazardly radiating out of the original village, which will center around the river/harbor/major road running through the middle, or perhaps around a religious center, castle or other fortification. Medieval Demographics Done Better: An Alternative to Medieval Demographics Made Easy. This signifies a large, industrial-style operation, as opposed to smaller household- or job-lot sized businesses. YMMV ("your mileage may vary," code on many a gaming forum for "Whatever As most of us not only map, but do so for RPG campaigns or worldbuilding, I thought this … (Answer: Indianapolis, and the founders thought the White River was navigable.) Below is a rough outline of what businesses will be found in your population: Mohenjo-Daro. Among the myriad generators and supplements used by the average world-builder and game-master, perhaps the most popular and well-loved is Medieval Demographics Made Easy by S. John Ross. 1)    Location A gaming blog discussing my thoughts and impressions on tabletop RPG gaming in general, and my GURPS Renaissance-tech campaign in particular. Apotheosis associated with the Invisible City. Now unless your players are a complete bunch of morons they will notice this.Dáithí (cant remember how to log back in :) ). BUT, imho the effort isn't in vain. Newer Post Older Post Home. (London topped out at around 50,000.) 1 healer/herbalist/physician (in some cultures, this would be one of the priests) Buildings would also grow taller. The town should contain around 20-30 structures per acre. * Butcher: 1 per 800. They make carrying goods to and fro a pain in the ass, and they're an impediment to growth and renovation. Remember that everything in a true medieval city had to be within reasonable walking distance of everything else. Planned towns did exist, but it took certain situations: a government seeking to settle an unpeopled area, a feudal lord wanting the profits and trade a town could provide. If you're interested, it's at http://heraldry.sca.org/names/parisbynames.html. Sorry 'bout that. By Sammael in Serbia, 01 Jan 2021 18:40. Once the empire falls, once the plug is pulled, those cities collapse overnight. Beyond that, walls are inconvenient. Thanks for reading! they must have used the number for fortified places around Paris , Densely populated and extrapolated by the rest of the population ? only under duress. Also, if rotten meat is what you're used to, you wouldn't need to cover up the taste. * Tanners: 1 per 3500. Two-thirds nautical trades is pretty standard for any port city – chandlers, shipfitters, boatwrights, brokers, longshoremen, and the several elements of a fishing industry. A large part depends on the size of your town. Well, I've no grounds for complaint on non-swift replies ...As far as using any of my data for your private or public use, that's why I have this up in the first place: feel free! * General Merchants: 1 per 350, at a ratio of 3:1:1 between “country stores,” salters/spice merchants and brokers/factors/large-scale shippers. Our medieval and historically-inspired fantasy settings are crawling with blacksmiths, farmers and priests. * Scribes: 1 per 150, at a ratio of 1:2:5 between lawyers, notaries and scribes. If the village is on a significant trade route, there probably is a tax/toll collector, perhaps a small barracks of a sergeant and a half dozen soldiers. 2 churches (with 5-6 clergy between them and appropriate acolytes) Well ... if you keep your civic food stores dry, protected from vermin, and secure, they’ll keep two to four years without magic. 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